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Técnicas para gestão da autonomia do Leaf

Mensagem por ruimegas » 17 abr 2011, 16:06

Técnicas para gestão da autonomia do Leaf. (Ground School)

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Post subject: Ground School?Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 3:09 am

I been sharing information about my 'pending' Leaf Purchase with a work friend. He being a former Private Pilot thinks new owners and especially reporters should be required to attend a 'ground school' before they can buy or test a Leaf.

You have to treat a trip close to max range ( what ever that is!?) of the Leaf like you are doing a flight. Fuel, well of course, but if you have fully charged and your trip is not greater than max miles what do you need as a contingency reserve? You must look at the weather, is it going to be too hot or too cold, subtract range, using the wipers, maybe the defroster on, subtract range, is the trip very early in the morning, lights on, subtract range, is the terrain hilly?, subtract range. Downhill, add range, eco mode add range, maybe... Yes, some planning is required with an ICE car, but if it's 32C or 32F it's not going to be super critical. Yes weather factors, will effect an ICE car also, but not as much as an EV and in most urban area, a gas station is usual nearby.

Which one of you Geeks is going to program the first Leaf trip planning (like a flight planning program) Iphone/Ipod touch/ IPAD app?

With the exception of a .25 mile drive at the SF Auto Show I have not driven a Leaf. Today is the first day I've seen one in the wild, but reading this group since August I figured a few things out. This group has been my ground school, thank you. "

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Re: Técnicas para gestão da autonomia do Leaf

Mensagem por Filipe » 19 abr 2011, 10:25

Plenamente de acordo, propunha que todos tentem contribuir para este tópico.
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Re: Técnicas para gestão da autonomia do Leaf

Mensagem por ruimegas » 28 abr 2011, 21:09

"Based on lots of experience in my Prius PHEV, and a couple of hours in a Leaf, i thought i'd put a few points together (i can't believe you don't have one of these already!)

Slow down carefully. As a rule, no braking is best, regen is bad, and friction braking is really bad. Lots of people (and the press) tell you regen braking adds range. It does compared to -friction- braking, but coasting to a stop is even better. If you apply a small amount of pressure to the accelerator you can move your power bar into the "dead" zone, where you are neither drawing power from or putting power into the battery. the Leaf will travel a -long- way like this, as it has low CD and low rolling resistance. Coast to a stop whenever you can.
Check your tyre pressure. Seriously. The dealer will leave it low for a nice comfy ride. Increasing it to 2-4 PSI above the handbook values will reduce your rolling resistance further. Check regularly, as swings in temperature will affect it.
Don't use cruise control. The car has no idea what terrain is in front of you. if you're about to go up a small rise, and then back down, the car will firstly increase power output going up the hill, and then going back down it will drop into the regen area throwing that energy away. Instead try to apply an even amount of power going up/down these hills.
When descending hills, get into the "dead" zone mentioned above if you can. if you pick up speed, that is fine. it's far more efficient to preserve that energy as momentum to be used at the bottom of the hill (by staying in the dead zone until you have fallen to your target speed), than by forcing it into the battery via regen and pulling it back out again.
Watch the traffic ahead and leave a larger than usual gap. This allows you spend more time coasting, and preserve momentum at junctions and roundabouts - you always want to enter a roundabout at a good speed (25mph+), you never ever want to queue/stop for one. The very moment you see a light turn red, or a brakelight, or a roundabout on the horizon, or any other form of hazard/potential reason to slow down, get into the dead zone. You can always take a bit more energy out of the battery if required, but putting it back in is not as efficient.
Limit your top speed. I no longer driver faster than 60mph. We drove down to St Austell (form Northamptonshire) last summer, and while it may have taken 30 minutes longer it was very relaxing, we saw more of the countryside and we achieved over 70mpg in a non-modified prius. In normal day to day driving this speed limit makes very little difference.
Finally, not a bullet point but just a comment, i now view driving the car in a similar way to travelling in a space craft. By default i don't apply any thrust, i -never- want to apply negative thrust, and only apply the minimum amount of positive thrust required. It's more fun that way "

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Re: Técnicas para gestão da autonomia do Leaf

Mensagem por Filipe » 28 abr 2011, 23:39

Plenamente de Acordo.
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Re: Técnicas para gestão da autonomia do Leaf

Mensagem por mikexilva » 02 mai 2011, 22:38

Grafico da autonimia vs velocidade:
Encontrei esta imagem, será que está minimamente correcta?
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Estava a ver fotos (next, next) do NissanLEaf.uk no facebook e apareceu esta :)
in: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid= ... =1&theater


Ainda não tinha visto nenhum grafico destes para o LEAF, mas se já é bem conhecido ignorem.

Agora era interessante sobrepor varias linhas cada uma com a sua pressão dos pneus (acima e abaixo do recomendado;)

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Re: Técnicas para gestão da autonomia do Leaf

Mensagem por mjr » 02 mai 2011, 23:42

É um gráfico extremamente interessante. Tens informações de como foi obtido? Provavelmente foi baseado num gráfico semelhante para o Tesla Roadster.

Interessante é verificar que é possível ir do Porto a Lisboa sem carregar... Demora é umas 12 horas!
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Re: Técnicas para gestão da autonomia do Leaf

Mensagem por mikexilva » 03 mai 2011, 00:13

mjr Escreveu:É um gráfico extremamente interessante. Tens informações de como foi obtido? Provavelmente foi baseado num gráfico semelhante para o Tesla Roadster.

Interessante é verificar que é possível ir do Porto a Lisboa sem carregar... Demora é umas 12 horas!
Estava a ver fotos (next, next) do NissanLEaf.uk no facebook e apareceu esta :) não faço ideia onde foram buscar o grafico...

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Re: Técnicas para gestão da autonomia do Leaf

Mensagem por batalha » 03 mai 2011, 18:55

Encontrei outro gráfico relacionado com esse, a resolução é tão má que mal se percebe, mas...

http://m.lockerz.com/s/94474419?sid=jiu ... 2q8tn393q1

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Re: Técnicas para gestão da autonomia do Leaf

Mensagem por ruimegas » 05 mai 2011, 16:33

Apesar de ser para o Tesla Roadster penso que os gráficos abaixo se adequam bem ao Leaf:

"With more than 100 Roadsters delivered to customers so far and more on the road each week, it’s natural for some customers to run “experiments” on them. Because we have such an entrepreneurial and highly technical customer base, many of these experiments are quite detailed and attempt to answer questions that we have in some cases never discussed publicly.


One of the most common and tricky experiments is testing how far the Roadster will go on a single charge in various driving conditions. For the latest powertrain configuration (powertrain 1.5), we have demonstrated dynamometer test results of 244 miles range in a complicated combination of highway and city drive cycles defined by the EPA.

However, this is just one data point; real-world range can vary substantially depending on driving style, environmental conditions, and usage of accessories such as the electric cabin air conditioning system and the electric cabin heating system. The cycles defined by the EPA attempt to make a representative average of these different factors and combine it into one number. Many customers, potential customers and curious observers want the details behind this average and how results may change depending on conditions.

We need a designed set of experiments to understand how efficiently or how far a Roadster could drive under different conditions. This can quickly become a huge amount of testing as there are so many variables and conditions, but fortunately we have spent quite a bit of time internally building a very accurate computer model of how the Roadster will behave under different driving scenarios. We’ve validated the model by testing at a reduced number of points -- enough to give us good confidence in the results. The details of this model are quite interesting and could be a whole separate blog, but for now let’s just use it as a tool to help us understand Roadster efficiency and range.

The simplest experiment to consider, and one that gives great insight into the whole vehicle performance, is how efficiency and range vary as a function of driving speed. This is assuming that speed is held constant (i.e. cruise control) at each point. For any test or model run, there are many inputs that need to be specifically stated to make the results meaningful. So here are some of the critical inputs that we have assumed:
• Single driver ~180lbs
• Soft top or Hard top on vehicle (with windows up)
• No air conditioning usage
• No heat usage
• No headlights or cabin air blower (large 12V loads)
• Tires inflated to recommended efficiency setting 30/40 front/rear psi

The outputs of this model run are in battery energy usage per mile. In the case of an EV this is typically expressed in terms of Wh/mile. A 100W light blub running for 1 hour will use 100 Wh of electricity. Since 1 Watt is also just 1 Joule/second you can easily convert Wh into Joules by multiplying by (60 [seconds])*(60 [minutes]). It is also important to note that we are discussing DC Wh/mile or energy coming OUT of the battery pack inside the vehicle. This is very relevant to range but does not consider the losses associated with the onboard battery charger or some of the slight round-trip energy losses in the battery itself.

Here is the DC Wh/mile predicted result for a Tesla Roadster with the above assumptions over the entire operating speed range.
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The shape of this curve might not be immediately intuitive, but it makes sense once you consider the different types of drag and energy loss at work. (We will look at those soon.) Remember that this is not a power curve but instead a plot of energy per mile. You can directly determine power from this data by multiplying the Wh/mile by the mph at a given data point. The expected DC power required to drive the Roadster at a steady speed is shown below.Imagem

This probably looks more intuitive since it is always increasing as speed increases. The shape of this curve is obviously not linear. To cruise at 60 mph takes about 15kW. However, if you double that to 30kW you will only accelerate to about 80mph -- far less than twice as fast. And if you double it again to 60kW you will accelerate to about 107 mph using 4 times as much power as you did at 60mph, yet you’d only travel about 1.8 times as fast.

Energy Loss Distribution:

To understand why these curves have the shapes that they do it is helpful to examine where the energy actually goes. For simplicity we will group the energy usage into four “buckets”:

1. Aerodynamic Losses (drag from the air over the body of the car and through the front radiator)
2. Tire Losses (aerodynamic and rolling drag from the tires)
3. Drivetrain Losses (Inverter, motor, gearbox, bearings)
4. Ancillary Losses (12V loads, cooling fans and pumps, lights, etc.)
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Each of these loss components has very different characteristics and is affected in different ways by making real world changes to the vehicle.

1. Aerodynamic losses are almost entirely determined by driving speed. The other issue to keep in mind is that these losses are determined by relative wind speed over the vehicle -- not necessarily the speed over the ground. So if you are driving into a 10 mph headwind, it is nearly the same as driving 10 mph faster from an aerodynamic loss point of view. As you can see from the graph, this can have a huge impact on overall Wh/mile with even very small changes in wind. It is also important to note that, because the loss is not linear with air speed over the car, you cannot “zero out” the effect of wind by driving in a closed loop course the way you can with elevation changes. Driving into the wind for 1 mile and then turning around to drive downwind for the same 1 mile (all at the same speed) will use more energy than driving the same speed with no wind over 2 miles. Even a direct crosswind will slightly increase forward moving aerodynamic losses due to its interaction with the body shape.

2. Tire losses are mainly determined by the weight of the vehicle and the rolling drag of the tires themselves. For the Roadster we have chosen tires that offer a great combination of low rolling resistance and traction or grip. The air pressure in the tires has a large effect on this rolling resistance, grip and the overall tire loss. Higher pressure gives lower rolling resistance but a harsher ride and degraded handling. The above modeling is done at 30/40 psi front/rear. You can expect about a +/- 10Wh/mile variation with a +/- 20% variation in tire pressure. Similarly, by reducing vehicle mass you see a proportional reduction in rolling loss. So if you reduce total mass by 1% then you would reduce rolling loss by about 1%. In the configuration above, 1% equals about 30 lbs. So it is good to make sure that you are not “accidentally” carrying extra weight in the trunk or elsewhere if you are trying to get the best range possible.

3. Drivetrain losses include those that the user doesn’t typically control: the efficiency of the motor controller, the motor itself, the gearbox and generally all losses in converting the DC electricity from the battery pack into useful torque at the wheels of the car. This is proportional to speed due to spinning losses in the gearbox and motor and also proportional to power output due to conversion losses in the various subsystems.

4. Ancillary losses are caused by all “other” electrical loads in the vehicle, particularly the 12V cooling blowers and pumps, the 12V radio, internal and external lighting, etc. For the modeling above, we assumed that there was not heating or air conditioning load, but if there were it would show up here. These losses are somewhat different than the others because they represent a roughly constant power draw on the vehicle regardless of speed, winds or elevation changes. Because of this, they cause the energy usage per mile to start becoming high again at very low speeds. This effect would be even more pronounced if the heater or A/C system were operating. Likewise, the impact of ancillary losses is extremely small at high speeds because the primary propulsion power is very high and these small power draws make a relatively tiny contribution.

Range:

Now that we have a better understanding of how much energy the Roadster uses per mile, the next question is how far can it go? The typical full capacity of a new battery pack when charged to 100% in maximum range mode and discharged steadily over 3 hours is about 55kWh. Using that number you can calculate an interesting driving range curve for various speeds.
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While this graph shows that driving range greater than 300 miles should be possible, the conditions to do this are quite rare: steady-state driving at 30 mph (no stops or starts) for more than 10 hours! What is most relevant for real world driving and trip planning is how the range varies between perhaps 45 mph and 80 mph.

One clear driving “tip” to take away from this is if you are ever nervous about making it to a given destination: you will do much better to slow down instead of speeding up. I’ve talked with many people who intuitively think that minimizing time to the destination will also minimize the energy usage, but just the opposite it true!

As you have probably seen from the discussion in this blog, many factors and assumptions affect range. The real world has wind, variations in road surface, hills, occasional stops and starts and other conditions. Given the complexity involved, I would be happy if a real-world test fell within about 10% of the modeled result for energy usage and range.

If you would like to “play” with these numbers yourself, below is a link to an Excel file with the table of data used to generate these graphs.

To our customers, happy driving. And we are always interested to hear back from you about other experiences with your Roadsters!"

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