Diario de Bordo Turismo/Tvde EVUBER Toyota BZ4X Premium

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When you look at the nickel-based versions of the exact same car, the degradation gap becomes obvious. Model 3 units with an LG Chem Nickel Manganese Cobalt (NMC) pack sat at 92.83% health, while the premium long-range Panasonic packs with Nickel Cobalt Aluminum (NCA) cells dropped lower, landing between 88.2% and 89.8% capacity.

https://www.notateslaapp.com/news/4461/ ... -new-study

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Uma empresa que compra e vende carros eléctricos e plug-in , decide fazer um teste a 9,954 VE entre 2022 e 2026, não posso deixar de comentar que que são parte interessada nos resultados pois teem influencia no negocio que gerem.

Our answer was Carla; a site for those who want to sell or buy electric cars online - easier, safer and faster.

https://www.carla.se/om-oss

Depois os testes efectuados não especificam:
idade do veiculo
tipo de clima
frequencia de carregamento DC
Habitos do condutor
Limites do Software BMS
Se existiu Substituiçao de bateria
Impedancia das celulas
fazem um teste basico de leitura do OBD que demora 3 minutos...


Os testes da carla.se sao estes

Our electric cars are battery tested
This is how our battery test works:
We start by fully charging the battery. Then we connect an independent third-party test from the company Aviloo. We install the equipment and test the car's battery health at five different points, then compare the data against a factory-new battery. The result gives a good estimate of the battery's current capacity. All cars we sell have good battery health and of course a battery certificate is included when you buy an electric car from us.
If a car battery fails the test, we will replace the battery and retest it before the car is put up for sale. Please note – batteries are complex, and the tests should only be seen as an indication of the condition at the time of testing.

This certificate is awarded to vehicles that pass the FLASH Test—a fast, user-friendly diagnostic test that provides reliable results in just three minutes. If the battery shows no irregularities, the vehicle receives the AVILOO CERTIFIED seal, offering buyers confidence and giving sellers a strong unique selling proposition.

Carla.se tests electric vehicle (EV) batteries using the AVILOO FLASH Test, a certified third-party diagnostic system. This method evaluates the high-voltage battery on multiple parameters without requiring a lengthy 100%-to-10% deep discharge on every single car.

Portanto 9.954 testes de AVILO flash test....

os testes são uma leitura básica de 3 minutos... completamente patético...so serve para colocar os carros a venda no mercado mais rapidamente...

AVILOO FLASH vs AVILOO PREMIUM

We offer two test types to suit different situations.

FLASH Test: Your Daily Dealer Tool

The FLASH test is designed for speed and scale. Use it on every EV that comes through your forecourt.

Connect the AVILOO Box to the OBD-2 port
No driving needed: test runs on a stationary vehicle in around 3 minutes
Test data transmitted to AVILOO servers and analysed automatically
Certificate issued immediately: a quick, reliable condition check
Ideal for: Pre-sale certification at volume, building trust into every listing, fast stock turnaround


PREMIUM Test: The Deep-Dive Assessment

The PREMIUM test is a comprehensive battery health assessment for high-value vehicles or when a buyer wants maximum assurance.

Connect the AVILOO Box to the OBD-2 port
Drive the vehicle from 100% to 10% charge over a period of up to 7 days
Vehicle data and GPS data transmitted continuously to AVILOO servers throughout the drive cycle
Full analysis performed by AVILOO using millions of data points
Full State of Health certificate issued within 2 days: the gold-standard assessment
Ideal for: High-value or premium EVs, dispute evidence, buyers requesting the most thorough test available

fonte: https://www.batteryhealthcheck.co.uk/how-it-works/

Como escrevi no post anterior... prefiro os testes da EV CLINIC... e até dizem, mais vale uma bateria panasonic com 15% degradaçao do que uma LG com 5% degradação

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4. The LG vs Panasonic paradox: better SOH, worse battery

Here is the case that destroys SOH logic completely.
Panasonic cells in Model 3/Y often drop to around 80% capacity by 100,000 to 200,000 km. Relatively fast
degradation, ugly SOH number. LG cells in the same models hold capacity noticeably better, with
degradation comparable to a Model S.
By SOH logic, LG is the better battery. Reality says the opposite. The LG packs are the ones that fail
completely and irreparably, even at only 8% degradation, while the "degraded" Panasonic packs keep
driving. The buyer comparing two listings would pick the LG car because of the higher SOH, and pick the
worse battery.
And one more detail nobody tells you: there are two different Panasonic cells in European Model 3
Performance vehicles, Nevada production and China production, with a noticeable difference in
characteristics. Same model, same SOH display, different battery.
A metric where the better number points to the worse product is not a metric. It
is a trap.

fonte: https://evclinic.eu/2026/06/10/soh-and- ... -gave-you/

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Uma coisa não implica a outra, a Panasonic está a ter problemas com essas baterias, estão a durar menos do que o expectável, é o que é, a Tesla está a ter problemas com os carros equipados com essas baterias entre 2021 e 2022, isto não quer dizer que são todos, existem montes de queixas de degradação precoce com estas baterias, por alguma coisa foram substituidas rapidamente.

Eu não estou a comparar baterias, estou apenas a dizer que houve problemas com essas, é publico.

Mostrares um caso de um pack com muito kms é só ridiculo, pois até com LEAFs e as suas baterias da treta consegues melhor que isso.